{"id":28290,"date":"2010-09-30T10:07:51","date_gmt":"2010-09-30T18:07:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/?p=6857"},"modified":"2010-10-04T16:52:55","modified_gmt":"2010-10-05T00:52:55","slug":"mormons-are-average","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/2010\/09\/30\/mormons-are-average\/","title":{"rendered":"Mormons are average"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Clark of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.libertypages.com\/cgw\/\">Mormon Metaphysics<\/a> says below:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>My impression is that atheists, <strong>Mormons and Jews did best simply because all three groups tend to be well educated<\/strong>. (Someone mentioned stats adjusted for education but I couldn\u2019t see where that was noted although maybe I just missed the obvious)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This is not an unfounded assertion, as it is &#8220;common knowledge&#8221; in the <em>Zeitgeist<\/em> that Mormons are high achievers. Ergo, posts such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theamericanscene.com\/2008\/01\/11\/latter-day-ruling-class\">The Latter Day Ruling Class<\/a>. There&#8217;s one problem here: <strong>it&#8217;s not really true in a full-throated sense.<\/strong> The sample size for Mormons in the <a href=\"http:\/\/sda.berkeley.edu\/cgi-bin\/hsda?harcsda+gss08\">GSS<\/a> is very small, so that&#8217;s not what we need to look at. First, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org\/\">American Religious Identification Survey 2008<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6859\" title=\"mormoncuny\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/files\/2010\/09\/mormoncuny.png\" alt=\"mormoncuny\" width=\"600\" height=\"416\" \/><\/p>\n<p>As you can see Mormons have about the average proportion of college graduates for an American ethno-religious group. We can drill-down further with the <a href=\"http:\/\/religions.pewforum.org\/comparisons\">Religious Landscape Survey<\/a>. First, comparisons of various religious groups by educational attainment class as proportions:<\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-6857\"><\/span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6860\" title=\"mormed\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/files\/2010\/09\/mormed.png\" alt=\"mormed\" width=\"600\" height=\"462\" \/><\/p>\n<p>OK, now let&#8217;s look at income:<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6861\" title=\"incmorm\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/files\/2010\/09\/incmorm.png\" alt=\"incmorm\" width=\"600\" height=\"451\" \/><\/p>\n<p>As you can see <strong>Mormons rank below Mainline Protestants, and well below Jews.<\/strong> A notable trend though is that Mormons seem to have lower variance than the national sample. There are fewer Mormons at the extremes.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, here&#8217;s how Mormons stack up on IQ using a <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/2008\/12\/religion-iq\">NLSY sample<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6862\" title=\"IQbyreligion\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/gnxp\/files\/2010\/09\/IQbyreligion.jpg\" alt=\"IQbyreligion\" width=\"500\" height=\"481\" \/><\/p>\n<p>These data data seem to imply that <strong>Mormons are average white folk.<\/strong> So why the perception that they&#8217;re more educated? Part of it probably has to do with the reality that the &#8220;floor&#8221; of Mormon achievement is above the national norm. Fewer high school dropouts, fewer poor people. But I think another issue is what I&#8217;ll call &#8220;The Mitt Romney Effect.&#8221; Romney is conventional Mormon genealogically. His roots are in the Mountain West. But he was raised in Michigan, and spent much of his adult life in Massachusetts. I suspect with Mormons there is a much milder version of what has gone on with the Indian American community: <strong>strong selection biasing on migrants toward achievers.<\/strong> This gives Americans a skewed view of what Indians are like. While half of Indian Americans have graduate degrees, 1\/3 of Indians are illiterate! How&#8217;s that for a difference? Similarly,bi-coastal Americans don&#8217;t meet many Mormons, and the ones they do are more likely to be achievers, not those of more downscale or modest means who never left St. George, Utah.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Clark of Mormon Metaphysics says below:<br \/>\nMy impression is that atheists, Mormons and Jews did best simply because all three groups tend to be well educated. (Someone mentioned stats adjusted for education but I couldn\u2019t see where that was noted although maybe I just missed the obvious)<br \/>\nThis is not an unfounded assertion, as it is &#8220;common [&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":12,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[39,281,726,727,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28290","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-data","category-data-analysis","category-latter-day-saints","category-mormons","category-religion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28290","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/12"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28290"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28290\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28630,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28290\/revisions\/28630"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28290"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28290"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28290"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}