{"id":862,"date":"2010-02-24T14:50:39","date_gmt":"2010-02-24T22:50:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gnxp.com\/wp\/?p=44"},"modified":"2010-02-24T14:50:39","modified_gmt":"2010-02-24T22:50:39","slug":"methodists-are-still-baptists-who-can-read","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/2010\/02\/24\/methodists-are-still-baptists-who-can-read\/","title":{"rendered":"Methodists are still Baptists who can read"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/isteve.blogspot.com\/2010\/02\/income-by-religions.html\">Income by Religions<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Good has a rather unwieldy graph showing religion by income. No surprises, with Jews first and Hindus second in percent with six figure incomes, and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and black Protestant churches last.<strong> It would be interesting to know whether there are still affluence distinctions mainline white Protestants, such as Episcopalian v. Methodist.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>On a national level, there are. Pew&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/religions.pewforum.org\/\">Religious Landscape Survey<\/a> has detailed tables on educations, income, etc., broken down by denomination. Here&#8217;s a table I created (I left out historically black denominations). The values are percentages in each category, though the last column is a ratio:<br \/>\n<span id=\"more-44\"><\/span><\/p>\n<table frame=\"void\" cellspacing=\"2\" cols=\"9\" rules=\"none\" border=\"1\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td  height=\"17\" align=\"left\" valign=\"top\"><strong>Denomination<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" valign=\"top\"><strong>&lt;  $30 K<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>$30 &#8211; $49 K<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>$50 &#8211; $74 K<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>$75 &#8211; $99 K<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>$100 K +<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>Post-grad<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>Liberal<\/strong><\/td>\n<td ><strong>($100 K income)\/(Post-grad)<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Episcopal<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"19\" sdnum=\"1033;\">19<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"18\" sdnum=\"1033;\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"35\" sdnum=\"1033;\">35<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"27\" sdnum=\"1033;\">27<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"26\" sdnum=\"1033;\">26<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.2962962962963\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Presbyterian Church USA<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"19\" sdnum=\"1033;\">19<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"19\" sdnum=\"1033;\">19<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"18\" sdnum=\"1033;\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"28\" sdnum=\"1033;\">28<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"24\" sdnum=\"1033;\">24<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.16666666666667\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.17<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>United Methodist<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"23\" sdnum=\"1033;\">23<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"21\" sdnum=\"1033;\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"19\" sdnum=\"1033;\">19<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"22\" sdnum=\"1033;\">22<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"14\" sdnum=\"1033;\">14<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"14\" sdnum=\"1033;\">14<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.57142857142857\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.57<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Disciplines of Christ<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"31\" sdnum=\"1033;\">31<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"14\" sdnum=\"1033;\">14<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"21\" sdnum=\"1033;\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"14\" sdnum=\"1033;\">14<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"20\" sdnum=\"1033;\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"17\" sdnum=\"1033;\">17<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"12\" sdnum=\"1033;\">12<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.17647058823529\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.18<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Presbyterian Church in America (Evangelical)<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"34\" sdnum=\"1033;\">34<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"20\" sdnum=\"1033;\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"12\" sdnum=\"1033;\">12<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"18\" sdnum=\"1033;\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"13\" sdnum=\"1033;\">13<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"14\" sdnum=\"1033;\">14<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.38461538461538\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.38<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>United Church of Christ<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"27\" sdnum=\"1033;\">27<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"20\" sdnum=\"1033;\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"21\" sdnum=\"1033;\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"14\" sdnum=\"1033;\">14<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"18\" sdnum=\"1033;\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"21\" sdnum=\"1033;\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"21\" sdnum=\"1033;\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"0.857142857142857\" sdnum=\"1033;\">0.86<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Evangelical Lutheran<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"24\" sdnum=\"1033;\">24<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"24\" sdnum=\"1033;\">24<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"21\" sdnum=\"1033;\">21<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"15\" sdnum=\"1033;\">15<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"17\" sdnum=\"1033;\">17<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"15\" sdnum=\"1033;\">15<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.54545454545455\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.55<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Lutheran, Missouri Synod (Evangelical)<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"24\" sdnum=\"1033;\">24<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"20\" sdnum=\"1033;\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"20\" sdnum=\"1033;\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"18\" sdnum=\"1033;\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"17\" sdnum=\"1033;\">17<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"9\" sdnum=\"1033;\">9<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"12\" sdnum=\"1033;\">12<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.88888888888889\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.89<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Southern Baptist<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"30\" sdnum=\"1033;\">30<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"25\" sdnum=\"1033;\">25<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"19\" sdnum=\"1033;\">19<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"15\" sdnum=\"1033;\">15<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"7\" sdnum=\"1033;\">7<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"10\" sdnum=\"1033;\">10<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"2.14285714285714\" sdnum=\"1033;\">2.14<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Church of Christ<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"37\" sdnum=\"1033;\">37<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"24\" sdnum=\"1033;\">24<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"17\" sdnum=\"1033;\">17<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"6\" sdnum=\"1033;\">6<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"12\" sdnum=\"1033;\">12<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.83333333333333\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.83<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Independent Baptist<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"37\" sdnum=\"1033;\">37<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"25\" sdnum=\"1033;\">25<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"17\" sdnum=\"1033;\">17<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"5\" sdnum=\"1033;\">5<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"9\" sdnum=\"1033;\">9<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"2.2\" sdnum=\"1033;\">2.2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Seventh-Day Adventist<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"46\" sdnum=\"1033;\">46<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"26\" sdnum=\"1033;\">26<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"10\" sdnum=\"1033;\">10<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"7\" sdnum=\"1033;\">7<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"5\" sdnum=\"1033;\">5<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"2.2\" sdnum=\"1033;\">2.2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>American Baptist<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"46\" sdnum=\"1033;\">46<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"22\" sdnum=\"1033;\">22<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"9\" sdnum=\"1033;\">9<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"8\" sdnum=\"1033;\">8<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"5\" sdnum=\"1033;\">5<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"16\" sdnum=\"1033;\">16<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.6\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.6<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Assemblies of God<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"41\" sdnum=\"1033;\">41<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"26\" sdnum=\"1033;\">26<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"15\" sdnum=\"1033;\">15<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"8\" sdnum=\"1033;\">8<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"4\" sdnum=\"1033;\">4<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"6\" sdnum=\"1033;\">6<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"2\" sdnum=\"1033;\">2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"17\" align=\"left\"><strong>Total Population<\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"31\" sdnum=\"1033;\">31<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"22\" sdnum=\"1033;\">22<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"17\" sdnum=\"1033;\">17<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"13\" sdnum=\"1033;\">13<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"18\" sdnum=\"1033;\">18<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"11\" sdnum=\"1033;\">11<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"20\" sdnum=\"1033;\">20<\/td>\n<td align=\"right\" sdval=\"1.63636363636364\" sdnum=\"1033;\">1.64<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>I ordered by % with more than $100,000 per year income, except for the total American population, which is at the bottom. The relationship between education and income is pretty strong on a denominational level:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gnxp.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/episcorich1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-45\" title=\"episcorich1\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gnxp.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/episcorich1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"709\" height=\"531\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I was curious if there was  a relationship between liberalism and being relatively poor in relation to educational attainment. The United Church of Christ stands out here. So here&#8217;s a plot:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gnxp.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/episcorich2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-46\" title=\"episcorich2\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gnxp.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/02\/episcorich2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"719\" height=\"527\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This probably needs to be looked at in more detail, this was just a &#8220;quick &amp; dirty.&#8221; Though it is striking to me how the 19th century truism of a social rank order of Episcopal > Presbyterian > Methodist > Baptists, seems to obtain in the early 21st century. Sensitivity to initial conditions.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"a2a_dd addtoany_share_save\" href=\"http:\/\/www.addtoany.com\/share_save?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnxp.com%2Fwp%2Freligion%2Fmethodists-are-still-baptists-who-can-read&amp;linkname=Methodists%20are%20still%20Baptists%20who%20can%20read\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gnxp.com\/wp\/wp-content\/plugins\/add-to-any\/share_save_171_16.png\" width=\"171\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Share\/Bookmark\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Income by Religions:<br \/>\nGood has a rather unwieldy graph showing religion by income. No surprises, with Jews first and Hindus second in percent with six figure incomes, and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and black Protestant churches last. It would be interesting to know whether there are still affluence distinctions mainline white Protestants, such as Episcopalian v. Methodist.<br \/>\nOn a [&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[128,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-862","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-denominations","category-religion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/862","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=862"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/862\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":958,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/862\/revisions\/958"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=862"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=862"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.razib.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=862"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}